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LLOYD , JOHN ( 1733 - 1793 ), cleric and antiquary .

Christened 26 March 1733 at Llanarmon-yn-Iâl, Denbs. , son of John Lloyd (d. 1756 ) of Bodidris and his wife Elizabeth (Jones) of Gerddi Duon , Mold . Lloyd was, however, not of the old Lloyds of Bodidris ; his grandfather was Richard Lloyd of Cwmbychan in Ardudwy (on Evan Lloyd of that family, see Pennant , Tours of Wales , 1883 edn., ii, 268). According to Yorke ( Royal Tribes of Wales , 1887 edn., 111) John Lloyd senior was domiciled in Llanarmon early in the 18th cent. ; he adds that the son, as a boy, was nicknamed ‘ the flower of Llanarmon .’ Lloyd matriculated from Jesus College , Oxford , in July 1753 , and graduated in 1757 ( Foster , Alumni Oxon. ); he had already been ordained in 1756 , and licensed to ‘ Llanasaph .’ In 1761 he was curate at Caerwys . In 1774 he was appointed rector of Nannerch , but he still resided at Caerwys , placing a curate at Nannerch until 1778 , when the living at Nannerch was given to another man ( Thomas , S. Asaph , ii, 421) and Lloyd became rector of Caerwys ( Thomas , ii, 12). He d. 22 May 1793 , and was buried at Caerwys . His wife ( 1769 ) was Martha (d. 1810 ), daughter of Francis Williams ; of their several children, one was Angharad Llwyd , and another, Llewelyn ( 1770 - 1841 ) was rector of Nannerch ( Thomas , op. cit., ii, 422) from 1810 till 184 1.

John Lloyd was reckoned something of a scholar in his day. He was a member of the somewhat nebulous committee which was concerned with the preparation of the Myvyrian Archaiology ; he was a friend of Philip Yorke 's ; Warrington acknowledged Lloyd 's help in his History of Wales ; and Pennant , in the preface to his Tours of Wales , calls him ‘ my worthy and constant attendant in all my excursions .’

The older works of reference have confused Lloyd with as many as four men of the same name; two of these may be mentioned:

(1) JOHN LLOYD ( 1733 - 1814 )

who, as it happens, succeeded our John Lloyd in 1794 as rector of Caerwys , and whose death is recorded in the May 1814 (523) issue of Gent. Mag. — the confusion was not unnatural.

(2) JOHN LLOYD ( 1754 - 1807? ),

son of William Lloyd , Esq. , of an ancient family, domiciled in Llanstephan, Carms. He went up to Jesus College , Oxford , in 1758 , graduated in 1762 ( B.D. 1772 ), and was probably the ‘ Mr. Lloyd of Carmarthenshire ,’ who (like so many members of his college) was corresponding member of the Cymmrodorion in 1762 . Foster does not give him a Fellowship, but Hardy ( Jesus College , 243) records a ‘ John Lloyd , Carm. ’ as Fellow from 1765 till 1773 . In 1773 he was appointed vicar of Holywell ( Pennant , Hist. of Whiteford and Holywell , 236; Thomas , S. Asaph , ii, 196), but in 1782 ( Thomas , ii, 371) became vicar of Cilcain . Foster says he d. in 1803 , but neither Thomas nor Simpson ( Cilcain and its Parish Church , 57) notes the appointment of a successor before 1807 . The proximity of Cilcain and Caerwys probably explains the confusion between the two men. Besides the references in the text, copies of the S. Asaph records , obtained through the kindness of the Keeper of Manuscripts at N.L.W. , were used.


Emeritus Professor Robert Thomas Jenkins, C.B.E., D.Litt., Ll.D., F.S.A., (1881-1969), Bangor

Published date: 1959